Obviously he must have cheated!

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crazywater
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17 Aug 2008, 19:37 #1

McCain kicked Obama's ass last night in the non-debate debate. Last night's format had Obama and McCain asked the same questions by pastor Rick Warren.
Obama was first while McCain was off-stage where he could not hear the questions.




McCain came across as presidential and was prepared with quick and strong answers to all of the questions. Obama was more "nuanced" as some pundits
have said looking to explain away is weak performance with answers to questions like "thats is above my pay-grade" or saying in answer to the
question about which Supreme Court judge he would NOT have nominated Obama almost said he would not have nominated Clarence Thomas because he wasn't
experienced enough. Another McCain ad in the making?




CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: My first impression was just stylistically how different these men are. We do know that they have differences on
abortion and taxes and a number of things. But what we saw here was McCain very direct, answering questions before they were asked -- yes, no, yes.
We saw Obama, you know, more nuanced, as he is apt to be also on the campaign trail.


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DANA BASH, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, my impression was actually similar to Candy's in terms of the style and the differences in
the style. Particularly just in terms of how they approached the way that the questions were coming at them, and who they actually addressed in answering the
questions.




Barack Obama really took this as a conversation with Rick Warren. He addressed the audience sometimes but not really much.
He really looked at Rick Warren and answered his questions in a very slow, very nuanced way, as Candy said.




John McCain barely -- I mean, he looked at Rick Warren, but his answers were addressing the public, addressing the audience, addressing the voters at home,
much like he likes to do over and over again, week after week, in his town hall meetings.




So just the way that they approached this particular event and approached who they're talking to really said a lot about the kinds of candidates they
are.






So since McCain came off as extremely prepared it of course must be that he cheated....


SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): Defeat it. Couple of points. One, if I'm president of the United States, my friends, if I have to follow him to the gates of
hell, I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that and I know how to do it. I will get that done.


(End videotape)


MR. GREGORY: Andrea Mitchell, that's a pretty clear contrast.


MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he
was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel
that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that -- what they're putting out privately is that
McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.



MR. GREGORY: Right.


MS. MITCHELL: He seemed so well prepared.
Just pathetic...Obama is "nuanced" in his answers and McCain cheated. The media at its best.
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crazywater
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18 Aug 2008, 17:42 #2

So it turns out that if anyone cheated, and no one really did, it was Obama which explains why he said he cheated during his answer;
A few points.  First of all, it appears that some commentators believe
there was an actual "Get Smart"-style "cone of silence" at Saddleback. 
There wasn't.  Pastor Rick Warren was making a little joke when he used
that phrase.  But he was assuring the crowd that McCain was not hearing
any of the questioning of Barack Obama.
Next, McCain, like
Obama, knew the first two questions that would be asked of him — the
"three wisest people" question and the "greatest moral failure"
questions.  Both men knew exactly what was coming at the start of the
appearance. This morning I talked to A. Larry Ross, who is the media
representative for the Saddleback Church, and he told me that Warren
"gave both candidates the first two questions because he didn't want
them to be nervous…so they would be at ease."  Ross says that in
separate phone calls with the McCain and Obama, Warren also went
through the four general categories of questions and said things like,
"I'll probably ask you a question on this, or on that," but gave no
specific wording.
In addition, according to Ross, Obama knew a
third specific question that Warren would ask — the one about a
"president's emergency plan for adoption."  "[Warren] felt that since
that was basically asking for a commitment, he felt that it was fair to
tell them in advance that he was going to ask them that," Ross told
me.  So Warren told Obama, and planned to tell McCain when McCain
arrived at Saddleback, but wasn't able to because of other
distractions.  So according to what Ross told me, Obama actually knew
one more question in advance than did McCain.




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